I think this is an excellent idea! :)
– AlexSchroeder 2012-03-28 17:52 UTC
I really like this idea! I’m myself interested in helping out with noob pages, as I was a noob year ago. While I found this Wiki helpful supplement, the presentation leaves much to be desired. I think I’m gonna do some research on what needs to be done and I shall put a sketch of the ‘Noob project’ here then.
– StudentRadical? 2012-03-28 20:08 UTC
FWIW, I have no idea what this page is about. I tried clicking the title, but (probably because the page is new) no pages linking to it turned up in the hit list.
OK, so I then guessed that there must be a page with the same name but without the prefix
Comments on , and I was able to find the page that way.
Clearly there should be an easy way to get to the page being commented on.
– DrewAdams 2012-03-28 21:18 UTC
– shjk 2012-03-29 01:17 UTC
[[shjk?]]: Yes, I know about
Talk and the discussion about it, to which I contributed. The point is that there is no indication on a Comments page of what it is commenting on – no link to the page that is being discussed. This was your point in the
Talk page discussion, and it is still a valid point, AFAICT. – DrewAdams
I think that one thing that might help would be a “CategoryNeedsAttention” category (or, better, hierarchy of categories) so that people with time to kill know where to focus.
I also think that the projects should all be part of a “CategoryProject” category, and that the pages that could benefit from that project should all be categorized appropriately. This would allow both progress to be noticed and the ability for people to get pulled in from the end-points, not just the center.
Of course I could do it myself but I feel like too much of a lurker.
– BrandonWMaister 2012-03-29 01:51 UTC
Brandon: Just do it! Seriously. Be brave. Jump in there. What is the worst that is going to happen? Someone might disagree with you, and start having a conversation with you about it.
That is all. :)
The only reason why I didn’t start with a Category Project category, is that I wanted something simple. If this idea takes off, great! I would love to see a CategoryProject show up, and this page split off. I jsut am not sure if it is going to take off.
CategoryNeedsAttention however.. that needs to be made.
– JonathanArkell 2012-03-29 04:04 UTC
You will notice that people are in some cases mixing up using the Comment box with editing the entire page. This can be either because there is otherwise (i.e., other than inserting in place) no clear way to respond to a particular comment that is not the last one, or because people are confused.
I don’t think the current way of handling comments about another page is up to the task. To be more useful it would need some way of distinguishing threads or at least identifying target individual comments. This is similar to a flat list of blog comments – hardly ideal.
Personally (so far), my impression is that this way of dialoguing about a page’s content is worse than the perceived problem it is intended to solve. But I am ready to be proved wrong. We shall see. – DrewAdams
– DrewAdams 2012-03-29 13:35 UTC
Why can’t the talk page simply edited as a wiki? Why the commentbox is needed at all? There should be an edit link on talk pages too, just like on wikipedia.
– anon 2012-03-29 15:18 UTC
I think that’s a vote for having “Edit” at the top of the page. See Comments on 2012-03-20.
– AaronHawley 2012-03-29 16:15 UTC
anon: there is, it’s at the bottom of the page just where the regular “Edit this page” is on articles.
– shjk 2012-03-29 16:47 UTC
I wish we could edit comments… I just posted a comment and I borked the syntax… would like to go back and fix it.
I’ve been thinking how I’d implement this and I think I’d do it with each comment as a wiki page in a namespace that restricted people from editing each others pages. Maybe the wiki engine would prevent changes after a certain time too.
Then the renderer would pull all the pages in the talk namespace for a particular namespace together.
– NicFerrier 2013-02-23 13:07 UTC
As shjk said in the comment above: a Talk page is a regular page that can be edited by anybody.
– AlexSchroeder 2013-02-23 15:12 UTC
Can we add a link to the subject page to the Talk page on the subject?
– NicFerrier 2013-02-27 09:40 UTC
There already is – do you want it bigger, or somewhere else? (Look for EmacsWikiContent right in front of Edit this page.) There was some talk about this in March 2012. Ideally we find a CSS solution. Alternatively, we mock something up using CSS but then we make some changes to the HTML output provided that it still looks good using a text-only browser such as w3m.
– AlexSchroeder 2013-02-27 10:01 UTC
Aha. Right. It would be good if it was just “the page” or something… just an accesskey on the element would be good ALT+S?
– NicFerrier 2013-02-27 14:24 UTC
Access keys taken: s (save), p (preview) and e (edit). I called the link “Article” and used access key a (article).
Update: copied the translations of Article and Discussion from Wikipedia for all the languages Emacs Wiki supports…
– AlexSchroeder 2013-02-27 15:19 UTC